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Hey Bill, I hope this is living up to your expectations since you are the one who asked for this. So lets begin to discuss the breeding males. The male line breeding male is a showbird in most respects. The closest you can get to the standard in color and type. Of coarse we all have our opinion on correct type so this is the way I see it and again I will say some will disagree. Different bloodlines can act differently sometimes and can only relate what I see from the Barnes male line and Tanner female line that I raise. In my Tanner female line males, they seem to be smaller then a show male. They do not have as long a sickle and are a lighter top color. More like a brilliant reddish orange then deep orange red that is called for in the standard. They are a little shorter in back then my Barnes birds. Actually kinda cute. A small to medium straight thin comb is a necessity. It is worth noting that I do not dub my male breeders for my female line. They will never show and I want to see that comb,face and wattles throughout their lives so I know what is being passed to he female offsprings. One of the main differences between the male and femasle line male is in the main sickle shafts. On the female line male his shafts are black all the weay down to the skin. In a male line bird the main sickle will turn a deep red near the skin. This may sound stange as the standard calls for a black shaft but in this line if a male is used with black shafts he will throw black striping in hackle and saddle.I questioned Andy on this once and he said he would rather show a male with a fault the judge has to dig to find instead of a male with faults that are easily seen on the surface like black in hackle and saddle. I can't argue with success so I gotta believe he knows his birds. The female line bird can show a little black in saddle and hackle as well as some red ticking in body. Evidently thesefaults must be all related to the reduced shafting and fineness of stippling because the shafted and coarser sstippled birds dont throw these faults as much. I may or may not be able to post some photos today I will try.