While judging I see what appears to be a Wheaton Male being shown in the BB Red Class. Some of my thought processes are color of hackle and saddle (halo) and lighter reddish sometime heading toward orange. If you look underneath saddle you see orangish red to lighter red. The darker red on wing is actually a lighter shade, but remember undercolor ready is not to get undue consideration while judging. Undercolor on saddle is light grey instead of dark grey. What are the breeders thoughts? Are there other signs that judges may miss? How do you feel when a Wheaton places in the BB Red Class? We all know that most BB Reds are a bit darker than what the Standard description states .